Enjoy this episode & transcript below where Kimberly Spencer, Master NLP Mindset & Communications Coach and CEO of Communication Queens, interviews Lauren Golden.

Lauren Golden is an award-winning entrepreneur, best-selling author, speaker and coach whose mission is to help one million women take their next step of courageous action. From overwhelmed mom with loads of personal debt to multi-million-dollar lifestyle entrepreneur, Lauren’s own transparency and resilience has inspired women worldwide and helped them pursue a totally awesome life, one step at a time.

As founder and CEO of The Free Mama, Lauren has developed programs that have transformed the lives of tens of thousands of women in dozens of countries across 5 continents, and altered the trajectory of how moms balance family and work. She is a dynamic and sought-after speaker who shares her strategies to make big, bold shifts in life and business, making her a popular choice for events, sharing the stage with the likes of Tony Robbins, Russell Brunson, and Trent Shelton.

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In this episode of the Communication Queens podcast, host Kimberly Spencer interviews Lauren Golden, founder of The Free Mama and the Lauren Golden brand. Lauren shares her transformative journey from seeking job freedom to achieving personal and financial independence. She candidly discusses the challenges of balancing family and business, leading to a strategic simplification of her offerings. Lauren's story is one of courage and authenticity, as she embraces the "messy middle" of brand evolution, with aspirations to grow beyond her current ventures, delve into public speaking, and author more books. Her entrepreneurial mindset and commitment to intentional living shine through, inspiring listeners with her dedication to choice and extreme ownership in shaping her life and career.

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 Kimberly Spencer (00:00:00) - I was scared, I was really scared. And I think that's why courage to me now is so meaningful. Because everything that I have today is not because the timing was right. It was not because it was easy. It's not because I was smarter than the other people. It's not because I had it all figured out. It's not because I was fearless. It's because I decided to do it in spite of the fear.

Kimberly Spencer (00:00:23) - Welcome to the Communication Queens podcast for the visionary leaders, speakers, service providers and podcasters who are looking to stand out sharing their story. I'm your host, Kimberly Spencer, former screenwriter turned master communications coach. On this podcast, I'll be coaching you on how to share your own transformation story so that you increase your visibility, influence, and income on podcast interviews. Let's get your voice heard.

Kimberly Spencer (00:00:47) - Lauren. Welcome to the.

Kimberly Spencer (00:00:49) - Communication Queens podcast. I am so excited to dive into all that is you, the free mama now living from the road.

Lauren Golden (00:00:59) - I'm on location. Lauren Golden and Golden, Colorado from the RV here, live and in person.

Kimberly Spencer (00:01:08) - It's crazy the things that we can do these days with technology.

Kimberly Spencer (00:01:12) - I mean, you are embodying what it means to be a free mama, like you're embodying what was the brand that you built and.

Lauren Golden (00:01:22) - Yes. And I would say yes. And it's definitely been an iteration. You know, I never would have imagined this even when I started the Free Mama. This was not something that was within reach. This wasn't something realistic to me or my family. This wasn't available. It wasn't. It was still the pipe dream. It was the retirement plan that my husband and I had always joked about, even before we got married of, like, we'll get an RV and we'll travel full time. so even when I started, this type of freedom felt really far away. freedom has had, I'd say, four evolutions for me. It really started as that freedom from the 9 to 5 job. That's what I started doing. I was a working mom. I wasn't there with my kids. I hated the way that felt, and I knew I had to find a way to make money on my own terms.

Lauren Golden (00:02:09) - And it was freedom from the boss that was freedom, you know? But then there was this financial freedom that started to come as the free mama became successful and location freedom, we moved. We were able to travel more. And so there was this thing. And then a couple of years ago, I had this experience where freedom really became about freedom of self. And it was the I am who I am. I'm not gonna apologize. I know my values, I know my worth. And but again, that was that was the third iteration of freedom. And now it's like the full expression, I would say, of all three of those things. And, I'm sure that there are more iterations to come, but I don't think that any one of those for me would have come without the one before it. I think each one, and the hardships and the challenges lend itself to that next opportunity becoming available.

Kimberly Spencer (00:03:06) - What was the hardest transition?

Lauren Golden (00:03:08) - Freedom of self.

Kimberly Spencer (00:03:09) - Great I saw.

Lauren Golden (00:03:10) - Yeah, yeah.

Lauren Golden (00:03:11) - I wouldn't have said that. Going through the other two. They thought really, really hard. but the freedom of self. Particular scenario I went through was in this really high ticket mastermind, and it was this program I had always dreamed of being a part of. You had to qualify to be included. So for me, there was a lot of sort of inner child stuff around, like that was the cool kids table, you know, and I wasn't at the cool kids table growing up. And so there was lots of just then I'll have made it then, then I will feel successful. Keep in mind, I had already made $4 million like, you know, then then I will have arrived, then I will whatever. But I got in that room and I actually it was like finding out, you know, the Easter Bunny isn't real like it was. It was devastating. It was like, you know, I wasn't on the same page with these people I found. Yes, dear friends, but I also found remarkable lack of integrity.

Lauren Golden (00:04:09) - that for me was really shocking. I have been told I'm pollyannaish, so I think I, you know, I, I assume the best in people. I assume that people say the truth and say what they mean because I do and I lead that way. And so, you know, I found myself surrounded by these people who were both my peers, but also quite ahead of me financially and business. And it felt devastating. It felt like a loss. It felt like grief for the first 4 to 6 months. And then I arrived. I caught up and I was like, wait, this was hard to walk through. But this was actually so clearly defining for me. Like my sense of self. Like I could look in the mirror and be like, I'm freaking successful. Like I there is no comparison. Like, I've got this, like, I am awesome and these are my values and this is what I represent, and I'm not willing to compromise that. Like I just it made me so grounded and solid at the end of the grief.

Lauren Golden (00:05:08) - But it was it was really emotional to go through that experience.

Kimberly Spencer (00:05:13) - Yeah. The the grieving process of who you have been and, and also the, the dream that you projected that was like this, I call it the pedestal problem. Like, can you put that thing up on a pedestal? And pedestals are very unstable surfaces and can get easily knocked down. Yeah. So in that expression of self, did you find new values inside of you or did it just deepen.

Lauren Golden (00:05:39) - It deepened a deep element. Yeah I think I was already really aware. I think for me it brought into focus that not everybody has the same values, which sounds kind of silly and obvious to say out loud. but it wasn't obvious to me in that moment. Like, I think it's easy to forget when you're going through your day to day life that everybody's got a different lens, everybody's got a different motivator driving them every like. And to see some of those things, it on the pedestal, it, it was a little disheartening because I'm not financially motivated.

Lauren Golden (00:06:15) - I like money, but look around at the RV like I'm very lifestyle motivated. I'm very experienced, motivated. And so it just, you know, I was in the wrong room. You know, I've never I've talked about it publicly, both in my community and on interviews. I'm not people can infer who it was in the group and all of that. And it's not hard to go digging, but I'm not here to blast the community. I'm not here to blast the leader. Like, I just want to share my own experience, because there are some people that might feel at home in that room, but for me, it was more about discovering the room I always thought I wanted to be in actually is in the room for me, and I think that was what was so hard, because it had felt like this life long journey of trying to be, you know, the cool kid or feel like, you know, you're at the top or whatever. And I was kind of like, yeah, we're we're actually not.

Lauren Golden (00:07:05) - That's just not who we are. And there is like, there was this huge piece about it, you know, that came later on.

Kimberly Spencer (00:07:12) - How is your brand evolved through these iterations? As you live longer, it's more freedom.

Lauren Golden (00:07:17) - Yeah, a lot, but in different ways. So around the same time that I had that experience, we had some hardships in our family. And, that's kind of putting it mildly. But, you know, it forced me, you know, we fill the container and our capacity. My belief is that we are not actually unlimited as humans. We can grow, we can expand. You know, when I think about, I think about life pre kids, I'm like, I thought that was busy. I, I could not tell you one thing I did in my early 20s. I'm like, wow, what were we doing? I don't know, you know. And then you have one kid, then you have two kid. I have three kids. I have two pets.

 Lauren Golden (00:07:55) - I have a company. I have a husband. I have a husband with a company. Like, we have all these things happening. And so we absolutely have the capacity to expand. But I don't know that it is unlimited. I think as humans we are we have. Capacity is, and I reached mine at that time with what was going on in my family, and it made me have to reallocate kind of all of the things inside of my containers. And, you know, I see a lot of women especially, you know, balance isn't real, blah, blah, blah. You know, I don't think it's ever been about 5050, but I did experience this massive shift from like, okay, we're not even close now because my family life needs about 80% of my energy, my mental capacity, my time, my attention. And I had never had to do that before since being an entrepreneur. And it was really difficult. I will be very honest in that it's something that every now I still cry about.

Lauren Golden (00:08:49) - Like I literally will cry and be like, oh, I feel emotional thinking like I had to sacrifice a lot, a lot that I had, worked to build and create. And I would do it again in a heartbeat. I would make the same choice, but it was hard because it wasn't like this no brainer thing. Like, of course I love my family, but I also love my community. I love my business. I'm proud of the work that I'm I've done. I'm proud of the impact I've created. So again, I wouldn't do it differently. But it was not easy. And so that was all kind of taking place the same time as this personal eye opening. And so it was a lot. So for the Free Mama, what really had to evolve, I had to scale back, my immediate necessity was high and not thoughtful. So I had to shut down a mastermind that I had pretty much overnight. I canceled my podcast. I mean, it was just immediate. And again, I don't regret those things, but it is unfortunate that I didn't have the capacity to, like, have this big on ramp or off ramp for these things.

Lauren Golden (00:09:53) - I mean, it was like a sinking ship and I was throwing stuff off. now that kind of the waters have settled. I'm different. My family is different. Our goals look different, the economy looks different because this has all been taking place over the last three years. So, you know, right at the beginning of Covid, it was like this huge surge in business. But then about as the economy and everything kind of started feeling unstable, everything went down. So again, this is all corresponding same timeline. and so I really had to step back and go, what are my priorities like? I've built a lot over six years. I've got a book, I've got, you know, ten funnels running, I've got a YouTube channel. I've got, you know, all these different programs and how do I where do I want to put my time and attention and where can I help the most people, but also where is it going to be the most profitable. Like where's this can all make sense.

Lauren Golden (00:10:42) - And so we actually eliminated, I would say like another 50% of my business at the beginning of this year, 2023, but on purpose with that, you know, intentionality that I wasn't able to have in the place that I was at before. And so we actually switched from being known for our courses and coaching to we have a membership model now, and things are very simple. I have a membership model and I do some one on one coaching, and there was part of me mentally that felt like I was going backwards with the one on one, because I haven't done one on one since like 2019. But when I did my self check of what I'm like, no, I really want some of these strong, intimate relationships with with these women who have, you know, been in business, not the newbies that a lot of my stuff is catered to. But with these people who I have been with for 4 or 5 years, but I'm still several steps ahead of them. I want to have an intimate partnership with them.

Lauren Golden (00:11:33) - And so, those are really our only two focuses. I've got, you know, lead magnets and a low ticket endeavor. And we still have YouTube, but I've really backed off because we're going to be doing YouTube channel for for something else, which is kind of where my I've gone with all of this. So to answer your question, you know, the free mom has really changed, not so much as a brand, but our offers significantly changed. But what really emerged from all of this is I realized I had a lot to say and offer that doesn't necessarily fit under that umbrella. And so we launched a Lauren Golden brand, which would give me a little more fluidity to continue to grow because I'm in it. I'm at the beginning of it, you know, I'm not it's not this fleshed out thing like the free moment. It's something that I've just been living and experiencing and I'm making sense of, but I'm doing it in real time with the people who are following along.

Kimberly Spencer (00:12:25) - What is the difference between the Lauren Golden brand and the Free Mama? Is there a difference in values or, a.

Lauren Golden (00:12:32) - Little bit a little like your.

Kimberly Spencer (00:12:33) - Target audience?

Lauren Golden (00:12:35) - Target audience? Probably. Yeah. still women really? I mean, I always attract a few good men. I think if you are really solid in your mission, vision and values, you will always attract outliers from your ideal client avatar. And I always have. I've always targeted that working mom who stressed out balancing it all. I have people who aren't parents in my community, I have men, I have grandparents, I have stay at home moms. None of my marketing has ever targeted them. So I think when you are clear on those things. So what's really interesting? It actually sat down with a branding expert a while ago because I'm like, I have these ideas swirling. I just don't even know what to do with it, you know? And so we just kind of had these conversations. I'm a verbal processor, so I love things like this. but we sat down and what was really interesting is that my vision. From when I started the Free Mama ended up being sort of my mission for Lauren Goldin, so there was a lot of overlap.

Lauren Golden (00:13:32) - So the mission of the Free Mama is to make sure that no mother has to choose between family and financial stability. The way we do that is by empowering women to start their own home based virtual businesses. Right. But the vision of that was like, well, why does that matter? Who cares where you're making money, what you're doing, you know? And for me, why I wanted to become self-employed was because I wasn't living my best life. And so that vision, my personal vision, I actually have it written down in the next room. I brought it and made it to the RV. If you've ever heard of the concept of ikigai, it's like life's purpose, and I think that mine has always been to model and then show others how to live their version of a totally awesome, guilt free life. That's how I talk kind of allie girl, but that's how I talk. And so that was always the vision behind the free mama was like, the reason that this is this matters.

Lauren Golden (00:14:21) - The reason that this is important is because I want women to not feel guilty and not have regrets and feel like they're loving their life. And when I sat down with to look at what is Lauren Golden and who do I stand for? You know, the mission really is to help women live that totally awesome, guilt free life. The way we do that, the mission and how I believe that's possible, regardless of whether or not you become self-employed, has to do with taking one courageous step after another. So it has a lot. The foundation of that is really courage.

Kimberly Spencer (00:14:52) - Love, race and courage. It's all.

Lauren Golden (00:14:54) - Right.

Kimberly Spencer (00:14:55) - Yes, love me some courage. That is definitely the tipping point. value in our in our coaching company, with or without. And because on a vibrational level, like that's actually what tips people over into the greater states of enlightened and joy love. It always comes from taking those bold acts of courage. And I can definitely say, having followed your journey for a while now, seeing you, you know, get the RV, rent out the house, sell the car is like.

Lauren Golden (00:15:25) - The whole thing.

Kimberly Spencer (00:15:26) - Like you are the embodiment of that value. So how are you speaking to the two different, sort of audiences? Yes, there is the overlap, but is there a communicating difference in the messaging is how who you're speaking to and into the ideal customer avatar for both?

Lauren Golden (00:15:49) - It's messy right now. You know, I'm trying to separate. We a few years ago, gosh, yeah, probably about three years ago we ended up separating the brand online. So even before Lauren Golden, it was kind of this premonition. And it really was the catalyst from like it was that beginning development of that freedom of self. Because prior to that, you know, the free mama was part of my identity. And I don't think that's bad. I think it actually. Was part of my passion for my business that made it so successful and made people trust me and believe me and like me and think, well, she can do this, I can do it. So I don't think it was all bad.

Lauren Golden (00:16:32) - And I have learned since then that identities can be fleeting. That's, I don't know, like, it's it's, you know, you don't necessarily want to be synonymous with a brand like that, which is why Lauren Golden is so intentional because it is meant to evolve. As I evolve, I will probably have other businesses, but this would obviously not be one with the structure and IP and intentionality of like, let's sell this now with the free mama. That's not something I had ever considered. I didn't even really realize that that would be accessible or available, but now I think we look at things with a little more like long term, potential of like, well, what could this be? What? You know, yes, I'm in this season of I don't even want to say maintenance because we are growing and I'm actually working on some really fun projects on the free mama side right now, but I just have my eyes open wider than I think I did when I started, where I was like, I love this thing so much, like, I will do this forever.

Lauren Golden (00:17:33) - And now I'm a little like, am I going to be 58? Letting the free mama talking to 25 year old new moms? I don't know, but it seems less likely now than it did when I started, you know? And so I think those are some of the things that I look at. But I'm definitely in the messy action stage, something that we had in one of my previous programs that I loved was a book club. And so something I decided to do was like, well, let's pull book club away from the Free Mama, because those people can still be in it or not. But it's not really specific to starting a business. We do a lot of personal development and other types of stuff as well. So like we pulled that under Lauren Goldin. It's like, hey, let's read the gether, let's grow together, and then let's talk about. So like I started a separate Facebook group for book club. I started a separate email list for Lauren Goldin. Right now it's a once a month newsletter, but I'm definitely working through these belief systems and these value points and a little bit of, I would say even controversy of like being so bold as to say like, this is what I stand for and, and like, are you on board with, you know, because I think every business has that a little bit like with the Free Mama, it was a little bit of the, you know, network marketing was kind of the we're not going to do network marketing, we're going to do freelancing because statistically you're more likely to be successful working from home.

Lauren Golden (00:18:52) - So there was that polarization that we know is effective in business. And I'm just so I'm testing the waters, I guess, is the very long answer to your question. I'm starting to separate. Some of those seeds were planted before, including on social media. And then one of the things that we're we're going to be doing on our trip, and actually, I just got the background this week, the cover art, so I'm excited, is launching a new YouTube channel about our RV trip, but I'm going to be doing that under kind of the Lauren Golden brand. So again, I'm in that like clay stage. You know, before I launched the Free Mama, but I was still freelancing, I did a couple of podcast interviews, and I remember being like, gosh, I look at like, I have no idea what I'm saying. I don't know, but I think especially as a verbal processor, I think that process is important. And so I'm kind of just doing it in real time.

Lauren Golden (00:19:39) - I'm like, I'm working through those messages. I'm seeing what sticks. I'm seeing what feels good to me, which I don't at this point. I don't really do a lot that doesn't feel good to me. I've kind of worked through those boundaries. but that's that's where we're at. We're in the messy middle. I'm not thinking offers. I'm not thinking anything. With that said, I sold my first sponsorship, so that was like, really cool. so that's something very different. Like, that's not something I've looked to really monetize it. Then affiliate marketing on, the freelancer side, but I haven't really been like, oh, well, how do I sell a sponsorship where it is? So I'm playing and I'm having a lot of fun doing it, but it's messy middle for sure.

Kimberly Spencer (00:20:18) - Where do you see yourself in the next ten years with with both of the brands?

Lauren Golden (00:20:22) - Probably hard to admit out loud, but I think that I will be beyond the Free Mama. I would love to sell it only because it would devastate me to see it go away.

Lauren Golden (00:20:31) - that's the only I mean, it's just it's done so much good in the world. You know, we've had over 7200 students. My students have made over $22 million. And that's a poll surveying just 4% of our audience. So we know that the numbers are actually, you know, profoundly more than that. it doesn't just change these women's lives. It changes their family's lives. The biggest surprise to me of launching the Free Mama has been when I hear from people's children or husbands and they I mean, it just it's waterworks for days like I never in my life, it just wasn't on the radar. That wasn't what I set out to do. I literally have a free mama in my community who lives in the Carolinas, whose daughter is my pen pal. Like, we literally write each other letters and like, she sends me the nicest, cutest that like it just it's. So moving. and I think based on what I know from the last six years and the pace at which I continue to choose to grow and evolve, I just don't see it being that active part in my life a decade from now.

Lauren Golden (00:21:34) - I see myself on stage. I said that two years ago as Lauren Golden was creeping the way forward. I've spoken on stage, but it's really been in the context of what I built with The Free Mama, and I'm grateful for that. It's funny, this is going to sound really arrogant, I promise. I'm not actually comparing myself to Jennifer Aniston. I promise she's she's a queen. We won't compare ourselves, but I kind of equate it to like, you know, characters like her that have these long, like, she's Rachel Green, she's from friends, like, you know, and I've always I've heard people, her included, but other people from other shows and movies as well, who they almost have a little bit of resentment. They're like, I just want to move on. I don't want to be known for that. I've always been like, oh, no, I never want to like, lose that gratitude. Like I will forever be grateful to be known as like, Lauren who started the Free Mama like that is amazing.

Lauren Golden (00:22:26) - But it doesn't mean that it's how I want to, like, fill my days. And I just have such a bigger, broader message, I think, that I want to share with people. So definitely more speaking, more books. Which actually brings me to if you want me to share one of the projects that are going on because I'm really doing, you know, I'm managing my time. I'm going to be homeschooling two out of my three kids. We're going to be traveling for the year. I've already scaled back my offers, which I told you about, but, one of my sort of fun projects right now that I'm working on with my team is kind of playing the back end game. And so we've actually been taking some of my best selling programs from throughout the years, which you can get the curriculum inside of our membership, but we're actually converting them into books, which is just a totally different medium. It's been really fun because with AI and transcription, like, you can move fast, really fast.

Lauren Golden (00:23:13) - Like if I, I've three other little like we were cleaning up some stuff we already had, but if I were just laser focused on two of my best selling program like I already have the Google Docs, I just need to go in and reformat and clean them up. But like I've already done the transcription, the layout, like it? It's easy honestly. And then, for anybody listening who's like, wait, how does that even like self-publishing on KDP, on Amazon? So that's really the game we're playing. We're redoing what am I planners that got taken down a couple of years ago for somebody who was shockingly able to get Productivity Planner federally trademarked. So I had to pull mine down because it had productivity planner inside of it. So it got taken down. But we've rebranded it without the term productivity planner in it. So that actually I literally have the printer ready files up on my computer this morning. So we're going to republish that. We're going to republish my best selling book that I wrote in 2019 and just kind of do a couple facelifts, a little updates.

Lauren Golden (00:24:06) - and then we're actually working right now as well on a journal that I have kind of a mindset framework that I teach. And so we're going to make a journal that goes along with that. And then I already have three of my programs. One will be an e-book, two will be books, and they're already in the works. And so I'm kind of just playing this back end game, I'm going to play with ads and kind of use that for lead gen. hopefully also some profitability will be really fun, but I'm just enjoying doing things differently. I think, I've done the same thing for a while, and while I'm really grateful for all of the mentors I've had and coaches and things that I've learned, it was all following a formula. And some parts of those formulas were great and I will keep and it's wonderful knowledge. Some I am unlearning because it doesn't feel good with this free version of myself. So I'm just playing. I'm in a season of play, I think.

Lauren Golden (00:25:02) - Yeah, I think especially for the homeschooling aspect, because there's there's the unlearning that comes with everything that you thought education was.

Kimberly Spencer (00:25:11) - Yeah. In homeschooling, because we, we homeschool our, our kids, you know. Yeah, Covid.

Lauren Golden (00:25:15) - Was a crash course in that for me. Because my biggest mistake both the two months that they were home virtual like of that school year in the spring, but we also homeschooled the first semester of that next year. And my biggest mistake looking back is I was trying to do school, and I just didn't have the knowledge or confidence or permission, I think, for myself to do it differently. and we are doing things differently now. So I've given myself, I mean, so much so that like, we've ended up finding a curriculum that the fall of 2020 and not even doing a curriculum this time, because that curriculum made me feel boxed in of like, well, now we're behind, or we have to, like we're supposed to keep. And I'm like, no, I'm like, I know where my kids are at. I know their strengths and weaknesses. I know what the basics are that we've got to master and be doing every day.

Lauren Golden (00:26:11) - but other than that, like, we've already been to three national parks. They've got Junior Ranger badges, they're doing their thing. We're reading every day. We're writing every day. You know, starting next week when all this started school. Start math again everyday. You know, we've got. It's so built in to life. And so I love that you just distinguish between like the school and the learning. I didn't have that awareness in 2020, but I have it today and that's what gives me the confidence that I can actually do this, because if I didn't, I we would not be that way. There's no way.

Kimberly Spencer (00:26:41) - Yeah, homeschooling was like a whole crash course because we my my son is six and so he's just kind of starting. And it came with us moving and this whole process. So it was a whole transition of exploring and and also giving permission. And as soon as I connected. Oh, homeschooling is just like entrepreneurship. You got to unlearn thinking that you thought you needed.

Lauren Golden (00:27:04) - Okay. Yeah, yeah. And I just, you know, when I have those doubts because I do, I want to just be, like, super transparent. Like, my confidence level is probably like an 80% at this point. But like every now and again I'm like, oh, like, it's just it's not what I had. And I, I while my mid 20s were a huge season of like, what the heck? Like I just felt like I'd been lied to in my childhood. I felt really grateful for what I had, you know, and I went to private school and, not I mean, my kids have always gone to public school. My husband was charter school was kind of done at all at this point throughout our family. But I was grateful for for a lot of those experiences. But it was actually my daughter who's going to be doing a virtual school. It was. And I was so on the fence because they're very entrepreneurial and they're very student driven and they're it's it's block schedules like like a college curriculum.

Lauren Golden (00:27:58) - And so it's a lot of personal accountability. And I just but this is my kiddo who like thrives in the box, which was me. I thrived in the box till I realized the box left me living paycheck to paycheck with debt and never seeing my kids. Then I was like, what the heck? So but I remember talking to him and he was kind of like, what if she doesn't have to have that moment in her 20s? And I was like, dagger to it. I'm like, fine, take my money, you know? but I in those moments of doubt where I'm like, are we doing the right thing, you know, is this is this what's best for them? I remind myself, you know, my kids, because we don't have a dishwasher in this thing. You know, my kids know how to do dishes. They're helping every night. They're 11, nine and sit. My youngest is six, and she. I have one here, so I gotta be careful.

Lauren Golden (00:28:41) - She does better than the other way. She's the.

Lauren Golden (00:28:42) - Best one.

Lauren Golden (00:28:43) - She's like. And so I'm like, I feel like there's I don't know how to do that. This is embarrassing. I'm not proud to tell this story, but I had to ask my roommate when I went to college to teach me how to do my laundry, because my mom had always done. I literally got sent to college not knowing how to do laundry. Love my parents. I was clearly I was the youngest. I was spoiled, but that was embarrassing. I don't want that experience. Like there were certain things, you know, and I think this is what we all do as parents, right? We take kind of a good and we're kind of like, how can I recreate parts of that? And then we take the things we didn't know. You know, I had no financial literacy. I had even though I grew up, you know, in an upper middle class family, it just wasn't taught to me.

Lauren Golden (00:29:22) - And so those are things that when I think about, even though they're elementary school, what are the building blocks about? What do they need to understand about money? are you familiar with Green Light? I think it's called green light. It's an app. No, no, I'm talking about no eyes at all even. Okay, so this is green light. I think I got an affiliate late night. Excuse me. I got my affiliate link. We'll put it in the show notes, though. Absolutely. No. Go check it out. It's called green light. I discovered it a while ago, and I kind of dragged my feet, but once we decided we were going on this trip. So basically each of my kids have a debit card, but there's an app, and so I transfer money to them. So we have a whole point system in our family where when they, you know, have done their chores, brush their teeth without being told, you know, they get up, they get dressed.

Lauren Golden (00:30:08) - I think there's like 8 to 10 things on this list. And if they do those things every single day, they get a point. The point is a dollar. We have these point cards when they fail a point card, which is ten, they bring it to me and I get on the app and I transfer them $10. But like they buy their own souvenirs, they get their little tchotchke stuff, like they they have to learn how to spend it. But then green light is really cool because it also has some educational content and the ability, I think, like however much they spend, it automatically saves some for them. And then there's also an investing on it. I haven't gotten into that yet, so I can't fully endorse that part. but I want to that will be part of our quote unquote curriculum is I want to sit down with my kids. I want them to understand, you know, money doesn't grow on trees, but it is an abundance. It is readily accessible. And here's how we earn it.

Lauren Golden (00:30:57) - And here's how I want you to think about choosing to spend it. And here's why. We need to save some of it and all of these different things. and I think that that is education that is tremendously lacking in the school system, but also for many families, not from again, my parents are amazing. My dad's an entrepreneur, but I think if they would have known how much it would have helped me in. In my 20s to already have that information. You know, that they maybe would have done things differently. So I want my my children to understand those things. So those are the things I lean back on when I'm having those moments of doubt of like, oh gosh, do they know what an onomatopoeia is? I don't, I gotta Google that. Like, who cares? They know how to invest their money. We're solid. Like, you know, they can fold their laundry. They know how to prepare for it. They're they're good.

Kimberly Spencer (00:31:44) - Yeah, I think it's it's those those life skills.

Kimberly Spencer (00:31:46) - And I could totally see you in the Lauren Golden brand branching into more home schooling podcasts. Are you be.

Lauren Golden (00:31:58) - Yeah. We gotta get our feet a little bit more wet. Vern.

Kimberly Spencer (00:32:00) - Honestly, like I, I would say homeschooling podcasts and parenting podcasts because you're doing parenting so differently. And I think Covid just changed the paradigm for expectations. I mean, when we moved to Texas, like, everybody homeschools, like everybody that I've met. Hello. where are you again?

Lauren Golden (00:32:16) - Are you in Idaho country? I'm not in.

Kimberly Spencer (00:32:18) - Hill country outside of Austin. Yeah. And like I would say 80%. Not everyone, 80% of people that I have met homeschool their kids. And it was just such a paradigm shift to Eye-Opening as to the the difference in the educational system versus what actually is is needed is in education. Yeah. and I believe financial literacy is severely lacking both in the family level and in the educational level and understanding investments and savings and, and how to just spend your money and how to make money and.

Kimberly Spencer (00:32:53) - Yeah, yeah, how to generate it out of nowhere. And I think that's a skill set that is entrepreneurs we can bring to our kids. And I love that you're a second generation entrepreneur like me. it's because there is a different mindset that we were raised, and I have found more second generation entrepreneurs tend to be entrepreneurs. They tend to end up starting their own businesses and and so on. And I think that there is have you noticed in your entrepreneurial journey that you're more prone to taking risks because of how you were raised, because of being raised by an entrepreneur?

Lauren Golden (00:33:26) - Now, you know, I The Free Mama is kind of where my mother meets my father. So I am both of my parents. I grew up with a stay at home mom who was always there was always room. Mom was at every party, picked me up from school every day, took me to school every day. She left me around all my activities, took me to plays, took me. You know? I mean, she did everything for us.

Lauren Golden (00:33:50) - But she also really modeled, charity work and volunteerism and all of these other components. So she nailed it, you know? And then I had this dad who worked really hard. I do remember him and his office a lot at night, but now that I'm a parent, I think he was fighting for us. Yes. I don't I don't know how much it was working versus like, I need a break from the kids, but my dad never missed a dance recital, never missed a soccer game, never, ever. He was always there for the stuff that mattered, even though I saw him working really hard. And so I think that was my crisis when I turned 25 and my oldest was born and my husband and I, like I said, you know, we had some debt. We were not a lot, but some. And we were homeowners and we were both working, and there was no financial chance that I could have stayed home. And that was really my first, like, crushing adult moment was like, I failed.

Lauren Golden (00:34:46) - Like, I can't even take care of my kid. And I had to really reconcile that. And luckily it happened quickly because after my maternity leave, unpaid, which we don't have time for today, nor is that my identify it. But it's not. Not cool. my unpaid maternity leave. I went back and I realized pretty quickly, I love working, I love working, and so I can't imagine not working in some capacity. That's just not who I am. And so that was really good. But it was. My son is two years younger, and when he was born, it went from like, okay to like, I'm a failure. I'm failing at home. I'm crying every day. I'm feeling at work. When I'm there, I want to be home. When I'm home, I feel like I should be doing, you know, it just it was awful. And so that was kind of when my self-employment really took off. but I started freelancing probably about 4 or 5 months before I quit my job.

Lauren Golden (00:35:36) - my sort of origin story, if you will, of the Free Mama is that we actually found out I was pregnant again. We weren't trying. And I had a miscarriage. And I got kind of my first calling slash download from the powers that be, like in that next day, literally that it was this voice. It really sounded like a voice. And I've been told that it could have been Archangel Michael for all my spiritual people, but it was literally this voice that was like, what? What are you going to do now? Like, you're a control freak. You're a planner, like you were waiting for the right, what are you going to do? And I walked in and I quit my job a week later and started freelancing full time and never looked back. I've been self-employed ever since I was 2015. So you know it. No, I was scared. I was really scared. And I think that's why courage to me now is so meaningful. Because everything that I have today is not because the timing was right.

Lauren Golden (00:36:31) - It was not because it was easy. It's not because I was smarter than the other people. It's not because I had it all figured out. It's not because I was fearless. It's because I decided to do it in spite of the fear. It's because I decided to act with courage instead of with doubt and hesitation. And that was the first choice that I made. That was a series of, you know what, eight years now of choices where I continue to operate that way. But was that intuitive to me because of who my dad was? No, I don't think so because it was really scary. My husband is the risk taker. He is like your textbook entrepreneur, very visionary, very high thinker. I am much more of like your CEO. Like I can see both, but like if you want something done, I'm gonna find the people and manage the process. Like I'm. I can do both a little bit more, but I can get in the weeds. but yeah. No, I think I learned to take risks because I bring me the life that I want to live.

Kimberly Spencer (00:37:37) - You are so intentional with your language. I don't know if you know it, but.

Lauren Golden (00:37:40) - I would describe myself as intentional.

Kimberly Spencer (00:37:42) - Yeah, the words choice and decide are so naturally a part of your nomenclature. As far as like how you you speak. And everything that I've heard throughout this conversation has always been an intentional decision or choice that that has led you to that next step. So what does it mean to decide for you? What does that mean for you?

Lauren Golden (00:38:07) - I don't know that I've thought about that. Thank you for your observation, by the way. I that is something that I see in myself. I don't know that I had realized it was so intricate in my vocabulary, though. So that's that's fun to hear. I'll need to go back and listen. I think that I believe that we're all deciding no matter what, and that is not coming from a place of judgment or criticism. For anyone listening who feels stuck, it is looking in the mirror kind of thing. You know, when when I was freelancing, but too afraid to quit my job before my miscarriage, I was deciding to stay at my job while also working, while also feeling like I never saw my kid.

Lauren Golden (00:38:43) - That was also a choice. So I think, you know, I think part of it comes from the fact that I believe that we're all making choices all the time. I think part of it comes from I really, really believe in the principle. There's also a book by this name that's wonderful by an ex, I believe Navy Seal is extreme ownership. I believe in extreme ownership. so I'm also probably a recovering control freak, which there's probably some anxiety behind that. so I think all of those things probably marinated together, you know, I want to control what I can control, but I know logically all I can control is myself. And so if I want to be in control, but all I can control is myself, then why wouldn't I take extreme ownership over the decisions and choices that I'm making every day? I think that's probably my philosophy. Yeah.

Kimberly Spencer (00:39:37) - Yeah. And I could see that fully being embodied in what you're modeling, in your content, in how you show up, in what you're creating is you're modeling that that freedom of choice and consciously day in and day out, choosing this life and using what you're what you're creating.

Kimberly Spencer (00:39:56) - And if something doesn't feel light, I have a feeling you'd shift that pretty quickly.

Lauren Golden (00:40:00) - I would, and that's actually what I was thinking. I try not to do that. I try to really listen to the words and stay present. But I was just thinking. And also when we decided to go on this ship, there is absolutely like I spoke it out loud to people of like, if we go and us like, we'll be back. I mean, we can't get in our house because we step for a year. But like, I also don't believe in, like making yourself suffer like you don't. You don't have to. I was going to say you don't have to live with your choices. Meaning you don't have to choose them again and again and again. If it's not serving you, you can then chew something different, right? And it's interesting. This is unrelated, but an example of this is when my family relocated. So I've been freelancing about a year. I'd quit my job and we relocated to Texas.

Lauren Golden (00:40:49) - We lived outside of Houston for five years. I don't know if I told you that. so we were at Katy, Texas for about four and a half, five years. We loved it. That's where The Free Mama was birthed. I think this space of being away from where I grew up is part of what gave that permission to blossom. And I loved, love, loved our time there. My husband took the job that took us there. He's now self-employed. When when he took the job that took us there, we said, like, if this doesn't work, we'll come back. And we loved it. What's interesting is that in 2020, in the fall, we actually moved back to Kansas City, which is where I grew up and where my first two kids were born, and we didn't give ourself that same permission. And we had a really difficult couple of years there, you know, like we were not super happy. Part of that was things were still shut down from Covid. It was very hard to meet people.

Lauren Golden (00:41:38) - We were homeschooling our kids like it's a different breed of folks in the community, which was part of why we left. But we came back to be close to family, and it was just my husband and I were really lonely. My kids started to flourish a lot faster, and it really was just within, like the last six months that we kind of started to find our footing and it almost made us. It was one of the things that made going on the trip, like questionable. Like we just started to feel better here, like, are we really going to leave? But, you know, I wish when we would have moved back from Texas to Kansas City, I think I wish we would have explicitly given ourselves that same permission of, like, if it doesn't work, we don't have to stay. And we didn't. And I think we felt stuck for years. but who knows, maybe part of that stuckness is what led us to this adventure, so we'll never know.

Kimberly Spencer (00:42:30) - How did you gain this, self-awareness of your power of choice?

Lauren Golden (00:42:35) - Ooh, that's a good question.

Lauren Golden (00:42:37) - I guess a couple things come to mind. One is the story that I told you about my miscarriage and hearing that voice. I mean, I feel like that voice was giving me permission to choose. It was saying, you know, you're choosing that, and it it really did sound like a voice. I know that sounds a little bit wackadoo, but it really was very real to me in that moment of like, you know, and now I look back and like, that baby means everything to me. That baby changed the trajectory of my entire life. and so I think that maybe was one fleeting moment that planted a seed. you know, my parents raised two very independent young ladies, and I can't even think of a particular instance. But we are both wildly independent, and we're very different. We are very different. but we are both very independent. And so, I don't know, I don't know if there is something in parenting about, like, independent thought. if we were given, you know, those choices that kind of led us.

Lauren Golden (00:43:38) - I don't know, man. I'm gonna have to journal on that one. That's a really good question. let me put it this way. I can't think of a time. When I wasn't aware. I can just think of times when I did an exercise it well, but I don't. I don't really remember feeling. Powerless or like, I didn't have a choice, I didn't I wasn't choosing to exercise it. I was choosing to feel sorry for myself and Jen Sincero Jen Sincero sincero. Whoever said her last name, in her book, there's one part, and I wish I would have gotten that book like three years earlier. I would have been not broke so much faster, but I had already kind of launched. The free moment was on this trajectory by the time I had read the book. But there was one part in there where she talks about getting to be right, and one of the her examples was like saying, you're broke, like I'm broke, I'm broke. But part of the self fulfilling thing is like, if you keep saying you're broke, you're going to be broke.

Lauren Golden (00:44:38) - And while you're broke, you're also right. And I remember reading that and being like, oh my God, that was me in like the early part of my 20s. Like where I was just kind of in this wallowing. I wasn't an unhappy person, but I was not the full expression of myself. You know, I wasn't tapping into any potential. I was just doing the motions of life that society had told me to do. kind of until that, that, you know, my kids being born, you know, a circus or. And that was like enough, you know? so, yeah, that's I don't think I have a timer, but I, I just liked being write about my circumstances, but I was stubborn and I was going to be broke and stuck and, until I was like, oh, I can actually choose to do something different. That sounds better. Let's do that.

Kimberly Spencer (00:45:37) - How are you choosing now to be wrong about who you have been?

Lauren Golden (00:45:41) - Well, I. My husband's been out of town.

Lauren Golden (00:45:46) - He got back last night, so it's my first time alone with the kids in the RV. The first day. The day after we dropped him off at the airport, I wanted to like all of my like, it was bad. It was really bad. And I told them I was like, this is not going to fly for the next few days. And then Monday was like a great day. We had a really good day and then yesterday was like, not a good day at all. And I went like, I found myself going to like control. Like I just want to control the situation. I just want you to do what I'm telling you to do. I just want everybody to cooperate. I know best, like, come on. And now is worse. No it's not. And so this is I think this is my great unlearning maybe of this year as I get to learn alongside my kids. It's, It's they also have freedom of choice. And so I think that how will we harmoniously coexist in our own individual choices and sort of that letting go of it's not so much situation.

Lauren Golden (00:46:55) - I think I've done a lot of work on, like when situations, you know, stuff breaks, the weather's not great, whatever, that somebody gets sick. Those things I think I handle well, but it's the like, you're not doing what I want to to run. I think, I think there's work there. So that's probably we can let that part of me die. But it's a process. We're not there. We're we're on the awareness. We're in the awareness stage that.

Kimberly Spencer (00:47:28) - As a fellow recovering control freak, I completely understand that awareness. Yeah. Really got working through that one myself with my own children, especially with that schooling journey. It is understanding and and and in a way coaching them to yes, how they find their freedom of choice that actually supports them in their highest and best decision for their learning. Because not always flipping between 14 different tabs is the best choice.

Lauren Golden (00:47:54) - And in that same vein I've become very aware and I've, I've done more work on this, but it's just been very high awareness for me lately.

Lauren Golden (00:48:01) - Like I'm very, what is it, the metacognition when you can like see your thoughts kind of thing. I've been very in that space with this. but the idea of, like, when I'm triggered by other people and I'm very. And I want to be like you triggered me as opposed to I am triggered. This thing happened like I'm what it feels like watching a movie like time slows down. and what's interesting is that's actually probably less with my family because, again, we're in the early stages there. but I'll notice it on social media. I have unfollowed and unfriended more people in the last, probably 60 days than the last 16 years or however many we've all been on whatever, Facebook. because I am kind of in this season of like, I really don't need my piece disrupted. And what's interesting is like, whereas before I might have been like, you made me feel bad or I don't like it, I'm like, I don't understand. This is a new thing. And also we're not going to disrupt the peace.

Lauren Golden (00:48:59) - Like we're just we're just not, I'm a pretty confrontational lady that may or may not surprise. I know, I know most, most, most women, I think, avoid confrontation. I do not look at confrontation as conflict. I'm just. I'm bold and I'm not afraid to speak up for myself. I think it comes with that. That comes, I think, with the independence from my parent, because my sister is the same way. And, I have gotten into trouble, typically in election seasons or whatever's going on. You know, I've gotten into trouble on Facebook where, you know, someone is intentionally kind of doing that polarizing thing and I'll like, get into it. And I have gotten so good at, like, you actually don't need to do that. Like, you're not you're not going to change someone's mind, you're going to feel good for. And you post it and when they reply, you're going to feel pain. And I know this because I've done this. I've done this enough times that I know this.

Lauren Golden (00:49:55) - And so I've been catching myself. And it started with like I'd write it and then I'd go down and I'd be like, nope, we're not going to post it. Like we're just going to walk away. and now I'm finding, like I'm not even attempted to engage. I'm like, just let it let it go. and so that's something else that I would say that I'm kind of I forget how you phrase the original question, but like, we're just letting that part kind of die off. Like we're going to kind of unlearn that because while sometimes confrontation is, you know, it makes me a really good leader. I'm not afraid to have difficult conversations with my team or with clients. I think it makes me a good coach. but I don't need to get on Instagram with confrontation and like, no, I'm right and wrong. Like, it's not a very effective thing. and 98% of the time I end up feeling badly, even if it's for a short amount of time. So it's kind of disengaging there too.

Kimberly Spencer (00:50:47) - Yeah.

Kimberly Spencer (00:50:48) - So that's interesting that it comes up after this season of like the freedom of the full expression of you and one of the, the concepts of our framework with, with our podcasting agency is having a polarizing without being divisive, polarizing, but having some sort of polarizing stance. So like, for example, one of our past podcast guests, the amazing Sarah Sharky Harkness, she was very polarizing about, you know, the the choices that you make. And this is a common theme that I'm seeing, that the women that are coming on this show, the choices that you make and you're choosing to be miserable or choosing to not. And after her experiences and the way she framed it, I said, that's a really polarizing standpoint. And what I'm seeing and hearing from you is that there that that sometimes it's not necessarily getting granular about your polarization, like getting political or getting things like that, but even just the topic of freedom of choice and being able to respect others, freedom of choices and navigating your own choices to whether you choose to stay feeling guilty and stuck in mom guilt and second to 9 to 5, or choosing to leave that that that is a choice.

Kimberly Spencer (00:52:00) - And then that for some is a very polarizing topic, because a lot of people don't want to see themselves in that position of having to take that personal responsibility. It's like that.

Lauren Golden (00:52:11) - That's difficult. And it also goes back to growth and fixed mindset. You know, new Carol Dweck work like your beliefs that Stem will fundamentally impact what actions you take or not in life, you know. I actually just saw, I think it was an ad, actually, but I saw a video of Brendan Bouchard's lately, and it was similar to that broke conversation of like for him, it wasn't it wasn't what was he saying? It was, you know, he grew up without a lot. And so for him, it wasn't about being right. It was about being comfortable, being new, how to not have a lot. He knew what that felt like. He knew what it looked like. And so for him, it was more about the comfort zone and eternity ago example. But I dated the same guy for like three, three and a half years in high school, and the first year it was all like puppy love.

Lauren Golden (00:53:00) - So great. And then it was not a healthy relationship at all for either of us. And we knew that. And but it was comfortable. It was not safe mentally or emotionally, but it felt safe. Safer than being alone or safer than being with the unknown. And so I think, I think everybody has their own personal journey to walk, you know, with like the I try not to get into kind of the toxic positivity or it's all mind over matter because again, we went through a mental health crisis with one of our kiddos last few years, and not everything is that simple, but I'm actually I wonder if I have it in here. I took it out. I'm reading a really interesting book right now. I think it's called something like, someone should have told me this or it's something similar. I'm botching it. I'll let you know. That sounds really good there. Yeah, but it's it's written by a therapist, and she wrote this book about the recurring things that she's always telling her her clients because she feels like this knowledge should be readily available.

Lauren Golden (00:53:59) - And I've been reading it, and she's talking about, like, low mood, whether that's depression or just everybody has a bad day. And one thing like is, she says, the problem with like that mind over matter, like just think positively is like someone who that's hard for, they're actually going to spiral because they're just going to continue to beat themselves up. But the thing that she recommends for everybody is a level of action. You have to get into movement, you have to physically do something, and that really reconciles with, I think, like how I live my life and how I get out of stuff, and even just being in this messy middle of like, well, how are you distinguishing brands? I'm like, I don't know, I got two email lists, like, what do you want from me? No, it's like, you know, you got you have to do something. You have to start in action, make that decision to do something even to something small. But then you're going to find the momentum.

Lauren Golden (00:54:50) - Then you're going to like get a little bit out of the thoughts. Right? It's the movement that can create the space so that we're not obsessing over the thoughts that we're having. So yeah, I can see how all these different conversations and topics really intertwine. you know, at the end of the day, I think if you're going to leave your life in someone else's hands, it's unlikely you're going to live the life that you want to live, you know? And so whether you adopt extreme ownership or growth mindset or you take courageous action. I think those things have to ultimately be up to you. And, you know, as I'm saying, that I can even think of someone online who I recently just I just had to unfollow. And I know this person in real life, but he is, I guess what I will say, a traditionalist and air quotes. I will also say maybe misogynist, but you know, he thinks you know, men should be masculine, women should be feminine. And I'm just like, that's so to me, simple minded and like, that's not that doesn't allow anyone to have the full expression of themselves.

Lauren Golden (00:55:53) - I have masculine traits that are some of my best qualities and have made me very successful, and I've also worked really hard to tap into some of my more feminine trade. Men also have feminine traits, you know, we're just I just don't see anything as that simple in life. I think life is complicated. I think life is beautiful. I think life is hard. It shouldn't be done alone. But you should take some ownership of what you want yours to look like, whatever that means to you.

Kimberly Spencer (00:56:20) - Lauren, how do we find you? How do we work with you?

Lauren Golden (00:56:24) - Instagram. Facebook. If you're interested in stuff under the free Mama, the best way to connect with me is the Free Mama Movement Facebook group. I'm in there all the time. I answer questions. If you want to know about the RV trip, all that stuff, come find me on Instagram. Lauren Golden free mama. I'm talking about all the things. but yeah, I'd love to connect and just send me a message.

Lauren Golden (00:56:41) - Wherever you are, it's me. It's not my team, it's me. So I'll talk to you. I'll tell you where to go. We can be friends.

Kimberly Spencer (00:56:47) - Awesome. Lauren, it has been such a pleasure having you on this show. Seriously, I would put you on all the homeschool podcasts because a lot are like, honestly, you offer such a beautiful, fresh perspective or homeschooling that is not in what people the mold that people expect, or homeschool parents, especially being as successful as you have been with the free Mama movement. And that is, I see, really thriving in both the Free Mama brand and the Lauren Walden brand. So I'm very excited to see what you create and to follow along on your RV trip and see all the people.

Lauren Golden (00:57:31) - Will be in Texas in December.

Lauren Golden (00:57:33) - Come and visit.

Kimberly Spencer (00:57:34) - And that'll as always, my fellow communication queens stand out and be heard.

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